Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
The Trump Team’s GRIFTS for Greenland, Gaza, and Beyond
23 Jan 2026
Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Welcome to Raging Moderates. I'm Jessica Tarlev, and I'm joined today by Aaron Parnas. How are you?
I'm good. No, like, fancy intro today?
Well, I'm adding to it. No, I'm sorry. Sub-stacker extraordinaire, voice of a generation, the man, the myth, the legend, Aaron Parnas. You feel better now?
An honor. An honor, truly.
I want to talk about politics, but are you watching Heated Rivalry?
Or have you watched it? It's on my like, I've seen some like clips on Instagram that have popped up on my feed, but I... Like sexy ones or different ones? All of the above. There's actually not a lot that isn't sexy ones, but... Well, so for me, it's like I watch TV shows like years after they're actually released. So like right now I'm watching season one of White Lotus.
Oh, okay. Yeah, we live in different worlds.
Yeah, so heated rivalry will be like a 2027 project.
Okay, so before the election, I'll be like, who do you think is going to win? Also, have you seen Heated Rivalry?
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Chapter 2: What did Trump claim about Greenland at Davos?
And so I think that this is kind of a recalibration of where things are heading. And I'm going to... I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's not just going to be Canada. I think more countries will kind of move closer to China as the United States really alienates itself in kind of this America first mantra.
And ultimately, it'll be to the detriment of American businesses and American consumers. As I mean, China's GDP last year grew over 5%. It was one of their best years to date, while the American GDP could have grown more, but for the tariffs. And if the Supreme Court overturns Trump's tariffs, then it's going to be even more chaos. So I think ultimately, the world is dramatically changing.
And I saw your interview with Heather Cox Richardson. She's been talking about this a lot, is that people need to look at this not from like a day-to-day, like, okay, Trump says this, Carney says that, but look at it from a very macro level.
The dynamics between the United States and other nations have fundamentally changed, and it will take a very long time to get back to where it once was, if it ever does.
It makes me think like if a Republican wins in 2028, I think things just carry on this way, even if it's someone who we feel is, quote unquote, more sane. Like, let's say Marco Rubio is top of the ticket versus right now. I think the betting markets have it as J.D. Vance at the top of the ticket and Marco Rubio is the vice president.
But, like, the Republican Party is done with the post-World War II order, except Lindsey Graham. He's holding on. But besides that, you know, it's kind of washed. I'm curious what you think a Democrat will do because, I mean, there are certain things that Trump has done, like, you know, strengthening. It's interesting to think about it now that, like—
he's a central cog in the idea that NATO could actually be torn apart. But he did strengthen NATO to a good degree.
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Chapter 3: How did Trump’s Davos speech impact European allies?
And I think it's important that people pay their fair share and things like that. But it'll be interesting to see how Dems react to it, because I don't think the same old, and this goes for every topic area, whether it's domestic or foreign affairs, you know, showing up and say, we're going to go back to the, you know, the norm, right? Like everybody is looking for things to be
shaken up and i'm curious what you think a democrat would do if they are coming in in 2028 and they're looking at the eu they're looking at nato and saying like we want to be back with you
Well, I think you're going to see a lot of continuity even with the Democrat. I mean, you saw that with Biden even, right? Like the Abraham Accords. Biden continued them. Biden's State Department continued to work almost got the Saudis and the Abraham Accords. So I think you're going to see this board of peace situation to the extent that it lasts through the end of Trump's term.
I think if a Democrat takes over, you're going to still have this board of peace, whatever it looks like, this organization. You may have more countries join. You may have more of this kind of international collaborative effort, I don't know.
But I do think that it's, I mean, when you look at what in the post-World War II order, what the world has looked like, the United Nations does not have the same kind of power behind it that it once did. It just doesn't.
Or reputation.
Or reputation. Most countries do not, that don't need the UN, don't really care for the UN. And so I don't think it's just going to be the United States. I think you're going to have other countries come out and say, you know what, we need something different. We need something better.
And so that's why what I just hope that Democrats don't do is I hope they don't in 2028 just say everything Trump did over the past four years was bad and we're just going to get rid of it. Because you can't just do that. You can't keep flip-flopping like this every four years when
At the end of the day, we have to recognize that the world is shifting, and whether or not you like how he's doing it, which is my problem, not necessarily what he's doing, but rather how he's doing it in certain respects, you have to understand that some of these things are kind of inevitable based on where we are in history.
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Chapter 4: What was the reaction to Trump's so-called framework for a deal?
That's interesting, because I wouldn't think that this level of fissure with our other Democratic Western allies was the direction that we had to be going in. I think that there is a world where we could be like, it's us versus them, and it's more traditional axes of evil, right?
Where you're like, you know who Vladimir Putin is versus who Volodymyr Zelensky is, and you know who President Xi is, and, you know, like... I thought that that could be sustained, but I'm also a bit of a Pollyanna about things.
I mean, I would hope that they could be sustained, but it's already been a year, right? Like three more years of this, you're going to have European... I wouldn't be surprised if you see over the next three years a significant rise in the right again in Europe. I wouldn't be surprised if you saw Macron being replaced by a right-wing president. You have Maloney in Italy already pretty right.
I wouldn't be surprised if...
She has these incredible. I was much more afraid of her than what she has been in actuality. Yeah. Her line about we'll get rid of the bases and also the McDonald's is here was good.
Yeah. I mean, she's been interesting. And I wouldn't be surprised if in the UK you have like the Reform Party really making inroads before Trump leaves. So Trump could very well leave at a time where Europe and the United States are aligned in this kind of right wing respect. I don't know. I don't know what the future holds.
Yeah, I wanted to, you brought up Jared Kushner's dystopian PowerPoint presentation, which included a plea if everyone could just chill out for 30 days so they could figure this out more. It's so unprofessional. It's really crazy. Like, just give up your speaking slot, frankly, if you are not ready to deal with the repercussions of the fact that you are proposing to turn Gaza into Palm Beach.
Like, people are going to have questions and they are going to have reactions to that, especially because there are millions of people that live there. And, like, what is going to happen to them? And, like, how are they going to be able to afford to live in your condos? But do you think that they are going to be able to just continue to plow through with this level of grift?
Because I think about that 60 Minutes episode with Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner a lot and parts of it that were edited out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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