Jessica Tarlov

I don't know.

I don't think that's as big of a sell as Obama.

South Carolina talking, of course, about their large Black population.

Also a lot of rural communities, big military communities.

And then Nevada and New Mexico emphasizing their large Latino populations, which was such a big swing category in 2024.

What are your thoughts about what the calendar should look like?

They messed up so bad, though.

Like, I feel like it's one of those that you really, like, you have to prove yourself on such a next level that you can handle this.

I mean, I was there, freezing away, sitting on air at tap dancing for hours as it was going back and forth.

It's a new tradition, but a good tradition or seemingly good.

I don't know.

Every time I say something about this, I aggravate a bunch of people who feel differently about it.

And people take it so personally.

Yeah, I mean, I do live in a state and we were never, obviously, you're not going to have like New York doing it.

So we're always kind of by the sidelines of this.

It does feel like it's going to be an interesting process to watch vis-a-vis Ken Martin and what's going on at the DNC and like all of the...

The infighting, I guess, and how different states are making their pitches.

But I hadn't really thought about why don't we just like have a California go first or something that's a wild card.

Well, there you go.

Finally, you're saying something that makes some sense.