Jessica Tarlov

And Bernie Sanders was always smart, you know, to be an independent that caucuses with Democrats because he could run against everybody, right?

He could run against the machine and he could run against the Republican Party.

And a lot of people who I think are very good Democratic representatives are having to figure out

how they can do that too, right?

Like how someone who has been in Congress or in the Senate or just working in party politics for so long can battle both of those things because the establishment has to be taken down for your gird your loins.

That's about blowing up our side as well, but then also coming out of it fully intact and able to govern.

And it's asking a lot of people.

Yeah.

It does feel like we've just been saying it for so long that it feels like a regular slogan.

Like we're like protect health care.

Democracy is at stake.

But also when you do retire, all you've got then is your legacy.

And a lot of people's legacies are being rewritten in the negative direction.

And I would not want that at all.

Sarah Longwell, this was such a pleasure.

Thank you for joining me.

So fun.

Thanks for having me.

Yeah.

Anytime.