Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
Is This a Turning Point for America? (ft. Sarah Longwell)
14 Jan 2026
Chapter 1: What tragic event sparked nationwide protests and discussions?
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Chapter 2: How is the killing of Renee Good influencing public perception of ICE?
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Welcome to Raging Moderates. I'm Jessica Tarlow, and I am very excited to have Sarah Longwell from The Bulwark, the publisher there, host of the Focus Group podcast. I have had a crush on you for a while. I've told Tim about this. I had access to Tim, and now I have access to you, which is very exciting. Thank you for joining me.
I appreciate that. You know why?
Chapter 3: What are Sarah Longwell's thoughts on accountability in law enforcement?
Because most people come to me and tell me that they have a crush on Tim, which is deeply annoying for me.
Oh, you're not into it or you're just sick of it now. Like at first it was cool and now it's like he's not that great. I mean like I get it.
Tim's fine.
But like I'm standing right here. It is. I get that a lot. People are like, oh, what's it like with if they're conservative? They're like, what's Jesse like?
Chapter 4: How is Trump's behavior affecting the Federal Reserve's credibility?
Or what's Greg like? Or like, what's Scott really like? I'm like, he's fucking telling you what he's really like all the time. Yeah, you see it.
He's literally Tim's never not on camera at this point. So like that is the guy. I've known him since we were in our early 20s. He's just always been like that. Only he used to have fake glasses. Other than that, he's the same.
Chapter 5: What surprising trends are emerging in voter political identity?
They were fake?
Yeah.
Well, so he before he was out, he and I worked together like in Republican world and he would wear like a suit to make him look like a big boy and fake glasses that were, you know, not prescription so that he would look like a grown up because he actually, you know, he has the physique of like a 12 year old boy.
Which as we age, I'm more and more jealous of that. Oh, yeah. Take me back to what I look like before kids.
He is handsome. He is very handsome now, which is also annoying for me.
Oh, there's a lot going on in that office. He's taller than I thought when I was in your office or met him in person for the first time for CrookedCon.
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Chapter 6: How are young voters influencing party identification shifts?
And I was like, you are bigger than you look in a box on TV, which I guess is true of all of us, but...
Not me. No, I'm always shorter. Actually, it's being now in public where people walk up to you and they say things like, oh, I thought you'd be taller. And I'm like, me too.
I just, I would love that. Yeah. Genetics had something to say about it, though. I don't know how big your parents are, but I'm always like, my dad, dead, but he was huge. Yeah, because you're tall.
Chapter 7: What challenges do Democrats face in the upcoming elections?
When I met you at Crooked Con, I was impressed by how tall you are. Thank you. Yeah, that's what I aim to do, was impress people with my height. Let's talk politics because I want to talk about the tragic shooting of Rene Good in Minneapolis and kind of where we are now. The fight for Fed independence, Jerome Powell, leader of the resistance, I guess.
And this new interesting polling out of Gallup on party ID, which I was surprised about. to see that came out yesterday. Let's get into it first with Minneapolis.
The shootings really set off quite the chain reaction, protests in the street all over the country, a legal showdown over congressional oversight, and Democrats in blue states moving to rein in what they call an out-of-control enforcement campaign. After ICE agent Jonathan Ross killed Renee Good, activists began tracking federal operations.
Chapter 8: What strategies might Democrats employ to regain voter trust?
Lawmakers were blocked from detention facilities, and the Trump administration responded by tightening access and warning that protests could cross into criminal interference. That's their favorite thing to do. What started as a single tragic encounter is now this broader fight about accountability, public trust, and the future of ICE enforcement.
What are your kind of top-line thoughts, I guess, about where we are right now in this saga?
Yeah, I mean, I kept trying to explain to people because obviously I'm in politics all the time. And so we see lots of things that make us crazy, right? It's a crazy making time where reality is often denied to us. And I was trying to explain to them why I felt like this moment was different and so important.
And part of it was the combination of having the real-time video and then like sort of either the social media response or the media response broadly happening. that became this Rorschach test for partisanship. And I just... For me, the hard part was watching the government tell a lie in real time while we could all see that the opposite was happening. Like, that is a potent sort of thing.
Like, the... Kristi Noem coming out saying she was trying to ram him with her car. And then you watch the video and you're like, okay, wait a minute. You could maybe have... a debate about the level of inches he was away from the car. You could talk about whether or not he could have been slightly scared that she was moving her car when he was in front of it.
You cannot say she turned her car to ram him with it. Like, everybody can see that that's a lie. And I think, though, the extent to which the vice president Kristi Noem, Trump himself. Trump's like, I can't believe he survived that. And we're all watching it.
And and then they're releasing footage like they're releasing footage that they think helps their case because there's a mouthy lesbian, you know, saying, you know, go get your lunch, big boy to them. And they're sort of using that. They're trying to other the people to make sure, you know, this is a Marxist lesbian.
And so like the toxicity of them lying in the face of exonerating footage to me was some kind of very specific break because it's just so clear how they are trying to gaslight us. And it unlocks a different level of rage than I feel like the normal lies do. It also is a reminder, like the way that they respond to say, you cannot touch an ICE officer.
And now, obviously, the hypocrisy here is off the charts in terms of the way they're saying, if you lay a hand on law enforcement, like you expect to get shot. And everybody's immediately like, wait a minute, I watched a mob. Trumpers attack the Capitol and hit the police with flags and with bear spray and take their guns from them. I mean, I know Michael Fanone very well at this point.
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