Jessica Tarlov

How do you think about that in context with what's going on now?

Because I know my colleagues on The Five will say to me, you know, keep talking about Kilmar Abrego-Garcia.

keep talking about drug traffickers and the rights that they have when we were blowing up all the boats in the Caribbean.

And I did keep talking about them.

And it ended up the public opinion did sway on immigration, certainly.

And I think Gilmar Obrego-Garcia's case was a big part of that.

And then what happened in Seacott more generally.

Sorry, this is like a 90-minute question, but you get what I'm saying.

Yeah, I like that also because it doesn't have any specific ideology.

Like there are people from across the spectrum that satisfy that thirst that people have to be seen and to be heard.

Because, you know, you mentioned AOC and Bernie Sanders and Mom Donnie.

But Mikey Sherrill and Abigail Spanberger were also talking that same way to people, right, and talking about costs and that they had a plan to fix it.

So I think that was a great 90-minute answer to my 90-minute question.

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There's a big political shakeup out of Minnesota.

Just announced yesterday that Governor Tim Walz says he's dropping his bid for a historic third term as a massive welfare fraud scandal continues to escalate.

Walz insists he's not accused of wrongdoing.