Jessica Tarlov

He doesn't just insist that he is not accused of wrongdoing.

But the fallout from federal indictments to a viral conservative video to an upcoming House oversight hearing has turned a state level investigation into a national flashpoint.

So what actually happened here?

What responsibility does leadership bear?

And how does this reshape Minnesota politics heading into the midterms?

Ben, were you surprised that Walls announced he wasn't going to run?

I couldn't even follow.

I tried to understand most of the conspiracy theories just because, you know, they come up, right?

But that one I could not even figure out.

Vance reposted, and then it gets automatically— Well, the algorithm there is—it likes what it likes, or it likes what its masters like.

And, you know, they're talking about, you know, that he's Pulitzer-deserving.

And, you know, we talked about it on The Five and—

I said, I know there's been back and forth about that particular daycare center that he was at.

And, you know, why would a daycare center also be letting someone in, a man with a camera to go look at children?

It seemed like a violation of the rules of a daycare center.

But there was no question, of course, that there was fraud in the system feeding our future.

The organization that you're talking about where the woman in charge of it.

not Somali, a white woman, you know, and rightfully convicted for her crimes there.

But I did feel as the story kind of unfolded that Walls was in a terrible spot and that at a certain point, you just like the buck stops with you, even if he wasn't involved in the fraud directly, which the right is alleging.

But there seems to be no proof of that.