Jessica Tarlov

Do you think the story that clearly his camp was putting out there that he's potentially thinking about not running in 2028 because he needs to, he's going to have a fourth baby and apparently Usha isn't really into the political scene, I guess, in the way that they expected.

Do you give that any credence or you think he's just...

doesn't want to be humiliated if it turns out that Rubio is the favored son.

Oh, interesting.

Like it's just – it's going to be such a blue wave couple of years that I'd rather not be in position right now.

It does feel, and I agree with you about Trump, that he has an innate feel for the zeitgeist in a way that you wouldn't expect even with someone with his background and profile.

You're so right about Trump not being able to appeal to the better angels or deliver kind of like a rah-rah patriotic message.

He called into The Five yesterday.

I wasn't there.

But Dana Perino asked him a question about how the Iranian people are because we don't hear that much about the folks actually on the ground and asking, you know, whether they have food and water.

And Trump responds by talking about how she's hotter now than she was in 2016 when they had lunch.

So I don't know what you're doing.

Welcome back.

I'd say up until this point, I've been kind of flabbergasted by how Trump's poll numbers can go down so far in every major category, you know, economy, immigration, overall approval rating, no health care plan, all the things Americans care about.

And yet Democrats are polling just about even on who's best to manage the economy and still losing on immigration.

Right, which is my expectation and my most fervent wish.

And at the very least, certainly for the midterms, I would like some divided government back in the conversation.

So there's a push and pull as it was designed.

But my question, I guess, is about the politicking of this moment, because that floor is there and

the MAGA base is not abandoning him, but we have seen a tick down with the GOP voters who came back in 2024.