Jessica Tarlov

But he just doesn't give an F, right, about it.

And I'm curious, you know, the point about you have to just stand up for what's right.

And that's the case that you have to make, and then you have to sell it to the American people, right, thinking about what Democratic leaders should do.

And I liked the statements from Governor Polis, for instance, Senator Kaine, that all acknowledged how terrible Maduro is, and then just said, like, you didn't ask anybody for their opinion on this, or at least show us what you're doing, and also what comes next.

And, you know, today is the anniversary of January 6th.

And, you know, that's a whole show unto itself, but something that has...

bothered me, I guess, for the past five years, not just what happened, but the fact that the implications of January 6th and that we have a president who now has been reelected that has absolutely no respect for the rule of law or our constitutional right to vote completely trampled on it.

Right.

That people basically just said, I don't care about it.

Right.

Like you talking about January 6th is not winning you any elections.

Talking about grocery prices and health care costs are the way to do that.

And so how do you think about kind of putting more of a politics like trying to win elections cap on?

How do you think about that in context with what's going on now?

Because I know my colleagues on The Five will say to me, you know, keep talking about Kilmar Abrego-Garcia.

keep talking about drug traffickers and the rights that they have when we were blowing up all the boats in the Caribbean.

And I did keep talking about them.

And it ended up the public opinion did sway on immigration, certainly.

And I think Gilmar Obrego-Garcia's case was a big part of that.

And then what happened in Seacott more generally.