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Jessica Wynn

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
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The Jordan Harbinger Show
1288: Test Prep | Skeptical Sunday

International students applying to U.S.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1288: Test Prep | Skeptical Sunday

colleges or grad programs, they have to take all the same tests, SAT, GRE, GMAT, plus English proficiency tests like TOEFL or IELTS.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1288: Test Prep | Skeptical Sunday

So they're taking more standardized tests.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1288: Test Prep | Skeptical Sunday

And the prep materials for TOEFL are their own industry.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1288: Test Prep | Skeptical Sunday

You've got books, courses, apps, all designed to help non-native speakers improve their English skills specifically for this one test.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1288: Test Prep | Skeptical Sunday

Yeah, I mean, it really depends on your English proficiency, but it's testing academic English, reading scholarly articles, listening to lectures, writing essays.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1288: Test Prep | Skeptical Sunday

And that's very different from conversational English.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1288: Test Prep | Skeptical Sunday

So you can be fluent in everyday English and still struggle with the TOEFL.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1288: Test Prep | Skeptical Sunday

Yeah, in many ways they are, and they're often paying international student tuition, which is significantly higher.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1288: Test Prep | Skeptical Sunday

So they're paying more money to face more barriers.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1288: Test Prep | Skeptical Sunday

And the test prep materials assume a certain cultural knowledge that international students just might not have, like referencing American history or literature that's not familiar to students from other countries.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1288: Test Prep | Skeptical Sunday

So that's a subtle disadvantage that Native students don't even have to think about.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1288: Test Prep | Skeptical Sunday

No, I think there's something to that.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1288: Test Prep | Skeptical Sunday

And for wealthy international students, this is where the tutoring industry really thrives.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1288: Test Prep | Skeptical Sunday

In countries like China, like you mentioned before, and South Korea, there's a massive test prep industry specifically for U.S.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1288: Test Prep | Skeptical Sunday

college admissions.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1288: Test Prep | Skeptical Sunday

Some families are spending $100,000 or more just on tutoring and test prep, and they get admissions consultants just to get their kid into an American university.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1288: Test Prep | Skeptical Sunday

The American standardized testing system has just, it's a global industry.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1288: Test Prep | Skeptical Sunday

Well, on one hand, these tests are gatekeepers, right?

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1288: Test Prep | Skeptical Sunday

If you don't pass, you don't get into college or grad school or whatever.