Jessie Stephens

She was a very accomplished journalist, podcaster, was doing everything, and she basically quit all the commitments to take walks and eat banana bread instead.

She also wrote a very successful book and Substack and all of that but basically she was like this burns me out and it makes me not happy and she started this movement.

There's even one book called Life After Ambition which sums up a lot about this genre.

For some women having babies is the breaking point it seems and for others it was discovering that despite their 130-hour work weeks they were still getting paid less than the men they worked alongside.

Amelia, there are definitely some parts of burnout feminism to be celebrated in terms of us all going, this is too much, I can't do it.

But should we be worried about this kind of shaming of female ambition?

There's this idea that the new trend is that we've all got to

pretend like work-life balance, hobbies, not striving too much is what we really want.

And I'm not seeing maybe men being pressured the same way.

And there's so much hatred towards the women who led that Girlboss era, like so much vitriol.

Nothing burns you out like writing a book.

I'm not seeing these people disappear.

It's like I see the reinvention.

I mean don't.

It's just rebranding, right?

It's rebranding and it's like is there something unpopular now about going, well, I want to be the boss?

Like is that kind of on the nose?

Or was the issue, though, that we were being yelled at to lean in while our home lives, question mark, in terms of who was looking after our children,

Yeah, and a man can lean in if the woman is still doing the majority of the domestic load, which I think was that contributing to the burnout.

You were also trying to run a marathon, which you do talk about often.