Jessie Stephens

Is it?

Men have breakdowns too, you know.

Yeah, I wonder if the setup though was unsustainable.

It's like the 130 hours a week thing.

Oh, that's unsustainable.

Is completely unsustainable.

And remember when Arianna Huffington discovered sleep?

And she was like, everyone, there's this thing that you should do for a few hours every night and it makes you feel great.

And it was like that was a weird time that was ripe for parody.

Like there was something kind of ridiculous about that.

But then at the same time, to transition into this burnout feminism, and I hate to kind of use this word all the time, but there is such an inherent privilege in it, right?

Yeah.

Because not everyone gets to fall in a heap and not everyone gets to take a year off because you're tired.

I think about my nan who had seven kids.

She had a husband who was a war veteran and was in a wheelchair and she looked after the kids and then she went overnight and cleaned offices, right?

She had to do that.

If you told that woman that having a hobby and getting a good night's sleep

and work-life balance was important, she would have spat in your face because that was not something that was possible.

I like that a lot.

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