Jessie Stephens

Yeah, he was 26 or something when he sold his company for a bajillion dollars.

Don't fact check that.

But, yeah, because he was also a judge on Shark Tank, he had a profile, he still does, and he's built this show that's now essentially an interview show.

And it's one of those ones where sometimes the episodes are two and a half hours long.

Like it's very long form.

One of the best interviews I listened to last year.

He's a very good interviewer, I think.

But he sometimes does roundtables.

We did an episode about the feminist roundtable that was infuriating.

Not necessarily incel but definitely because people also use red pill now just in terms of becoming MAGA or becoming alt-right or becoming into the manosphere or like it's basically a term that means you've been radicalised.

I've heard him say on his show, because I listen sometimes, depending on the guest, there is no one I wouldn't have on.

He doesn't believe in, like, not platforming.

Well, no, I don't think it's that so much as I think he's nowhere near as kind of aggressive as Rogan.

He's much more...

As you said, softly spoken.

He is very well known in podcast circles for being an incredible marketer.

So every podcast in the world has studied what Bartlett has done to get his show from being I'm a guy off Shark Tank to being the biggest podcast in the world.

And a large part of it is about his rigorous testing of titles of videos.

So he knows better than anybody what will resonate.

And