Jessie Stephens

And it won't surprise anybody that what often resonates is one of the most controversial things that a guest might say during the two and a half hours.

Not necessarily.

I think the thing about the Bartletts, and I think Rogan used to be this once too, is they consider themselves kind of above politics, right?

In terms of the way that a lot of us consume media now for very obvious reasons, and particularly in America, and although he's British, A, that culture is becoming more polarised too, but also a large part of his audience would be American, no question.

is I need to know where you stand before I give you my listen.

Are you red or are you blue?

Everybody wants to know that.

And I listen to a lot of American podcasts and you often hear them talk about on the top 10, there are three red shows and four blue shows.

And, you know, everybody needs to know, like, where are you standing?

And I think that Bartlett and, as I say, Once Upon a Time Rogan kind of, they're much more of the I'm just asking questions guy, right?

So they're like, I'm not red or blue.

I just want to hear all the interesting ideas and discuss.

And look, it's a nice idea that you can do that.

2016, you could do that.

Now I think it's very complicated.

One thing I would say about him, because when I listen,

I think that any parasocial relationship we have with the podcaster, and I know there are people who listen to this who definitely have these kind of relationships with us, is the more you know them, the more benefit of the doubt you give them, right?

So I've listened to Bartlett talk to lots of women.

I often listen to his interviews with women, and he's not dismissive or rude.

He invests millions of dollars in lots of businesses that are owned by women.