Jessie Stephens

Yes.

There was a quote by the director of Baby Girl where she said that basically movies are full of scenes where we see a woman have an orgasm on screen that is anatomically not possible.

Yes.

Which is, I think, very, very true.

Yes.

So 70 to 90% of women do not have an orgasm from penetrative sex.

But 100% of the ones on movies do.

Exactly, exactly.

And funnily, that's actually how Baby Girl starts, of course, is through her having an orgasm through penetrative sex, which we learn is not a real one, which is kind of what all of this sexual...

fantasy is about.

So I think I've also noticed it in books I'm reading and I read almost exclusively books by women and certainly recently one of the big things people said about Sally Rooney was that she wrote a really good sex scene and of course you've got Miranda July and all of these women who are

writing sex very differently and they do put female pleasure front and centre, which is a really brave thing to do because we haven't seen a lot of it before, but it's like this is how it actually looks.

I wonder too if there's something about fingering that feels... Nostalgic.

Yes.

Yeah.

Okay.

So I wonder if this dynamic that we keep playing with where it's a young man and an older woman, I wonder if it's like meant to be a bit of a throwback to

It reminds you of being young.

There's terms for it.

They call it hand sex, outercourse.