Jia Tolentino

Yeah, it could actually. It's very poisonous. We have everyone in paradise and then there's the snake figure. There is the presence of entropy and sin and like the freedom to unleash, you know, the way that it figures in the biblical story. It's like the presence of him causes Eve to eat the apple and causes just the entire world to turn off of its axis from there.

Yeah, it could actually. It's very poisonous. We have everyone in paradise and then there's the snake figure. There is the presence of entropy and sin and like the freedom to unleash, you know, the way that it figures in the biblical story. It's like the presence of him causes Eve to eat the apple and causes just the entire world to turn off of its axis from there.

Yeah. There's something interesting, too, as a fellow person that grew up heavy within evangelical Christian indoctrination, where in the myth of the Garden of Eden, the snake tells Eve to eat from the fruit of the tree of knowledge, and it's knowledge of the world that… destroys paradise, right?

Yeah. There's something interesting, too, as a fellow person that grew up heavy within evangelical Christian indoctrination, where in the myth of the Garden of Eden, the snake tells Eve to eat from the fruit of the tree of knowledge, and it's knowledge of the world that… destroys paradise, right?

And, you know, there are like very clear echoes here about Timothy would prefer oblivion, like the knowledge is poisonous to him. There's a way in which plenty of people here are trying to enter the zone of the lotus eaters and to lose the knowledge of the world and to exist in that as its own sort of constructed paradise. But, you know, the knowledge.

And, you know, there are like very clear echoes here about Timothy would prefer oblivion, like the knowledge is poisonous to him. There's a way in which plenty of people here are trying to enter the zone of the lotus eaters and to lose the knowledge of the world and to exist in that as its own sort of constructed paradise. But, you know, the knowledge.

And now we're so excited to talk to Walton Goggins, also known as Rick.

And now we're so excited to talk to Walton Goggins, also known as Rick.

Thank you so much for having us on your show.

Thank you so much for having us on your show.

Okay, so we are loving your arc, and I wanted to ask you... Episode one, you seem like, Rick seems like one of the most closed off characters on the boat, coming in, chip on the shoulder, you know, chain smoking, opening the beer angrily.

Okay, so we are loving your arc, and I wanted to ask you... Episode one, you seem like, Rick seems like one of the most closed off characters on the boat, coming in, chip on the shoulder, you know, chain smoking, opening the beer angrily.

But it's revealed like you're actually coming to Thailand in this profoundly vulnerable place, more so than almost anyone else in the cast. I agree. And can you talk about that?

But it's revealed like you're actually coming to Thailand in this profoundly vulnerable place, more so than almost anyone else in the cast. I agree. And can you talk about that?

Can I ask you a burning question that Josh and I have had? Where in your mind did Rick and Chelsea meet?

Can I ask you a burning question that Josh and I have had? Where in your mind did Rick and Chelsea meet?

Oh, we're rooting for Rick and Chelsea quite hard.

Oh, we're rooting for Rick and Chelsea quite hard.

Goggins was locked in.

Goggins was locked in.