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Jill Lepore

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The New Yorker Radio Hour
How Science Fiction Led Elon Musk to DOGE

Yeah. There actually is like a whole really lovely genealogy of science fiction stories about the commercialization of other planets, all of which, again, are cautionary tales, but that Musk reads as instruction manuals. But there's a kind of, on the farther side of the far right, embrace of the economic opportunities and the military prospects of space exploration. So

The New Yorker Radio Hour
How Science Fiction Led Elon Musk to DOGE

Yeah. There actually is like a whole really lovely genealogy of science fiction stories about the commercialization of other planets, all of which, again, are cautionary tales, but that Musk reads as instruction manuals. But there's a kind of, on the farther side of the far right, embrace of the economic opportunities and the military prospects of space exploration. So

The New Yorker Radio Hour
How Science Fiction Led Elon Musk to DOGE

Yeah. There actually is like a whole really lovely genealogy of science fiction stories about the commercialization of other planets, all of which, again, are cautionary tales, but that Musk reads as instruction manuals. But there's a kind of, on the farther side of the far right, embrace of the economic opportunities and the military prospects of space exploration. So

The New Yorker Radio Hour
How Science Fiction Led Elon Musk to DOGE

I think that turns a lot of people in Silicon Valley toward Trump because he seems to be somewhat open to it. He doesn't know very much about it, but he is, of course, delighted by the attention of billionaires. So I think there's a kind of courtship that begins to happen there. And then, of course, you know, Musk earns a great many contracts through SpaceX, including

The New Yorker Radio Hour
How Science Fiction Led Elon Musk to DOGE

I think that turns a lot of people in Silicon Valley toward Trump because he seems to be somewhat open to it. He doesn't know very much about it, but he is, of course, delighted by the attention of billionaires. So I think there's a kind of courtship that begins to happen there. And then, of course, you know, Musk earns a great many contracts through SpaceX, including

The New Yorker Radio Hour
How Science Fiction Led Elon Musk to DOGE

I think that turns a lot of people in Silicon Valley toward Trump because he seems to be somewhat open to it. He doesn't know very much about it, but he is, of course, delighted by the attention of billionaires. So I think there's a kind of courtship that begins to happen there. And then, of course, you know, Musk earns a great many contracts through SpaceX, including

The New Yorker Radio Hour
How Science Fiction Led Elon Musk to DOGE

Under the aegis of Space Force, there's an interview where Musk says something like, It takes as long to do the paperwork to build a rocket as it takes to actually build the rocket. And so becomes really committed to the idea that there's regulatory excess that can only be eliminated through Trump's victory.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
How Science Fiction Led Elon Musk to DOGE

Under the aegis of Space Force, there's an interview where Musk says something like, It takes as long to do the paperwork to build a rocket as it takes to actually build the rocket. And so becomes really committed to the idea that there's regulatory excess that can only be eliminated through Trump's victory.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
How Science Fiction Led Elon Musk to DOGE

Under the aegis of Space Force, there's an interview where Musk says something like, It takes as long to do the paperwork to build a rocket as it takes to actually build the rocket. And so becomes really committed to the idea that there's regulatory excess that can only be eliminated through Trump's victory.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
How Science Fiction Led Elon Musk to DOGE

So when I hear Musk say at those rallies, you know, we're at a fork in the road, the future of human civilization depends on this election, he means SpaceX, right? He means, I need the federal government to, without any restriction, delay, impediment, I need to take these rockets to colonize Mars. And that's only going to happen through Trump. And part of this larger project of Doge is...

The New Yorker Radio Hour
How Science Fiction Led Elon Musk to DOGE

So when I hear Musk say at those rallies, you know, we're at a fork in the road, the future of human civilization depends on this election, he means SpaceX, right? He means, I need the federal government to, without any restriction, delay, impediment, I need to take these rockets to colonize Mars. And that's only going to happen through Trump. And part of this larger project of Doge is...

The New Yorker Radio Hour
How Science Fiction Led Elon Musk to DOGE

So when I hear Musk say at those rallies, you know, we're at a fork in the road, the future of human civilization depends on this election, he means SpaceX, right? He means, I need the federal government to, without any restriction, delay, impediment, I need to take these rockets to colonize Mars. And that's only going to happen through Trump. And part of this larger project of Doge is...

The New Yorker Radio Hour
How Science Fiction Led Elon Musk to DOGE

is to divert funds that are used to serve the poor, the needy, the sick, immigrants, anyone who might be vulnerable and not worthy somehow, I think, in how Musk likely sees the world. Their needs ought to be put very much at the back of the line so that we can bring humanity together. space and also so that we can pursue unfettered, the development of artificial intelligence.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
How Science Fiction Led Elon Musk to DOGE

is to divert funds that are used to serve the poor, the needy, the sick, immigrants, anyone who might be vulnerable and not worthy somehow, I think, in how Musk likely sees the world. Their needs ought to be put very much at the back of the line so that we can bring humanity together. space and also so that we can pursue unfettered, the development of artificial intelligence.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
How Science Fiction Led Elon Musk to DOGE

is to divert funds that are used to serve the poor, the needy, the sick, immigrants, anyone who might be vulnerable and not worthy somehow, I think, in how Musk likely sees the world. Their needs ought to be put very much at the back of the line so that we can bring humanity together. space and also so that we can pursue unfettered, the development of artificial intelligence.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
How Science Fiction Led Elon Musk to DOGE

And this also relies on the quantification of human needs, whereby we shouldn't feed the poor. We shouldn't clothe the naked. We shouldn't heal the sick. We should let them all suffer and die because their needs, those are minuscule compared to the calculation of the needs of the billions of humans that will one day ever live if we can gain escape velocity from planet Earth.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
How Science Fiction Led Elon Musk to DOGE

And this also relies on the quantification of human needs, whereby we shouldn't feed the poor. We shouldn't clothe the naked. We shouldn't heal the sick. We should let them all suffer and die because their needs, those are minuscule compared to the calculation of the needs of the billions of humans that will one day ever live if we can gain escape velocity from planet Earth.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
How Science Fiction Led Elon Musk to DOGE

And this also relies on the quantification of human needs, whereby we shouldn't feed the poor. We shouldn't clothe the naked. We shouldn't heal the sick. We should let them all suffer and die because their needs, those are minuscule compared to the calculation of the needs of the billions of humans that will one day ever live if we can gain escape velocity from planet Earth.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
How Science Fiction Led Elon Musk to DOGE

That is, in fact, the math that lies behind Doge. And that has nothing to do with democracy or citizenship or decency or any set of beliefs or commitments or moral clarity about the nature of the human condition.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
How Science Fiction Led Elon Musk to DOGE

That is, in fact, the math that lies behind Doge. And that has nothing to do with democracy or citizenship or decency or any set of beliefs or commitments or moral clarity about the nature of the human condition.