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Jill Lepore

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117 total appearances

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The New Yorker Radio Hour
How Science Fiction Led Elon Musk to DOGE

That is, in fact, the math that lies behind Doge. And that has nothing to do with democracy or citizenship or decency or any set of beliefs or commitments or moral clarity about the nature of the human condition.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
How Science Fiction Led Elon Musk to DOGE

I remember in 2009 or so, I went to a Tea Party rally in Washington. And I remember chatting with some very nice people from Texas. And I was asking them what they had seen while they were in D.C. for this rally. It was like a Glenn Beck, like 9-12 rally or something like that. I said, did you go to the Smithsonian? Did you see the monument? Did you go to the Jefferson?

The New Yorker Radio Hour
How Science Fiction Led Elon Musk to DOGE

I remember in 2009 or so, I went to a Tea Party rally in Washington. And I remember chatting with some very nice people from Texas. And I was asking them what they had seen while they were in D.C. for this rally. It was like a Glenn Beck, like 9-12 rally or something like that. I said, did you go to the Smithsonian? Did you see the monument? Did you go to the Jefferson?

The New Yorker Radio Hour
How Science Fiction Led Elon Musk to DOGE

I remember in 2009 or so, I went to a Tea Party rally in Washington. And I remember chatting with some very nice people from Texas. And I was asking them what they had seen while they were in D.C. for this rally. It was like a Glenn Beck, like 9-12 rally or something like that. I said, did you go to the Smithsonian? Did you see the monument? Did you go to the Jefferson?

The New Yorker Radio Hour
How Science Fiction Led Elon Musk to DOGE

Did you go to the Lincoln Memorial? What did you do? And they were like, no, we would never go to any of those places. They would defile us. Their hatred for the federal government extended to the buildings themselves. That were built with taxpayer money to celebrate American ideas, American ingenuity, American art, American beauty, American music.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
How Science Fiction Led Elon Musk to DOGE

Did you go to the Lincoln Memorial? What did you do? And they were like, no, we would never go to any of those places. They would defile us. Their hatred for the federal government extended to the buildings themselves. That were built with taxpayer money to celebrate American ideas, American ingenuity, American art, American beauty, American music.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
How Science Fiction Led Elon Musk to DOGE

Did you go to the Lincoln Memorial? What did you do? And they were like, no, we would never go to any of those places. They would defile us. Their hatred for the federal government extended to the buildings themselves. That were built with taxpayer money to celebrate American ideas, American ingenuity, American art, American beauty, American music.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
How Science Fiction Led Elon Musk to DOGE

I was really staggered by that, that there was just such a strong hatred of the. And I do think that's not an ideology. That's an appetite. That's an emotional response to something. But I do think that Musk's doge taps into some of that.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
How Science Fiction Led Elon Musk to DOGE

I was really staggered by that, that there was just such a strong hatred of the. And I do think that's not an ideology. That's an appetite. That's an emotional response to something. But I do think that Musk's doge taps into some of that.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
How Science Fiction Led Elon Musk to DOGE

I was really staggered by that, that there was just such a strong hatred of the. And I do think that's not an ideology. That's an appetite. That's an emotional response to something. But I do think that Musk's doge taps into some of that.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
How Science Fiction Led Elon Musk to DOGE

If you publicly, as an elected official, disavow the threat of climate change, but instead propose to purchase or conquer Greenland and Canada, which are great real estate opportunities given the reality of climate changeβ€” then you are actually engaging in a kind of calculation that is as cynical and as indifferent to human suffering as is Muskism.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
How Science Fiction Led Elon Musk to DOGE

If you publicly, as an elected official, disavow the threat of climate change, but instead propose to purchase or conquer Greenland and Canada, which are great real estate opportunities given the reality of climate changeβ€” then you are actually engaging in a kind of calculation that is as cynical and as indifferent to human suffering as is Muskism.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
How Science Fiction Led Elon Musk to DOGE

If you publicly, as an elected official, disavow the threat of climate change, but instead propose to purchase or conquer Greenland and Canada, which are great real estate opportunities given the reality of climate changeβ€” then you are actually engaging in a kind of calculation that is as cynical and as indifferent to human suffering as is Muskism.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
How Science Fiction Led Elon Musk to DOGE

I wouldn't be surprised if he moved to Europe. I wouldn't be surprised if he moved to Germany or Italy. I think he needs to mix it up and enjoy the arrows that come at him so that he can use those arrows to construct a And I think that there's a invincibility around kind of leaving Washington with his tail between his legs. He's going to need to exert his virility in a very public way.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
How Science Fiction Led Elon Musk to DOGE

I wouldn't be surprised if he moved to Europe. I wouldn't be surprised if he moved to Germany or Italy. I think he needs to mix it up and enjoy the arrows that come at him so that he can use those arrows to construct a And I think that there's a invincibility around kind of leaving Washington with his tail between his legs. He's going to need to exert his virility in a very public way.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
How Science Fiction Led Elon Musk to DOGE

I wouldn't be surprised if he moved to Europe. I wouldn't be surprised if he moved to Germany or Italy. I think he needs to mix it up and enjoy the arrows that come at him so that he can use those arrows to construct a And I think that there's a invincibility around kind of leaving Washington with his tail between his legs. He's going to need to exert his virility in a very public way.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
How Science Fiction Led Elon Musk to DOGE

And I don't think he's going to be like doing battles in state elections like in Wisconsin again. I think that moment is over.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
How Science Fiction Led Elon Musk to DOGE

And I don't think he's going to be like doing battles in state elections like in Wisconsin again. I think that moment is over.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
How Science Fiction Led Elon Musk to DOGE

And I don't think he's going to be like doing battles in state elections like in Wisconsin again. I think that moment is over.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
How Science Fiction Led Elon Musk to DOGE

I think Musk is probably surprised at witnessing an act of real principle and courage and defiance that comes from a sincere commitment to deeply held centuries-old values. That is a rare thing in our world. It is no part of his experience of the world insofar as I have ever witnessed it. And it's something to be cherished. I am full of admiration for that act. I hope it is emulated.