Jillian Michaels

Why do you think... Okay, we've got to pause here.

God damn it!

John!

I'm getting somewhere!

No, I'm just trying to understand what you mean.

Okay, so the exercise causes you pain.

This is where mechanistic eating actually helps people who are neurodivergent and the research supports that because it doesn't have to make sense to you.

In other words, it's like you eat on these schedules and you eat these foods and you eat this much, hence the concept of mechanistic.

I don't like that.

I understand that you don't like it, but you'll have to decide which you don't like more, carrying the weight or the mechanistic eating because it actually could be helpful.

There are other ways forward, but you told me you tried them.

There are a lot of- Let's go back to you.

You just brought up your weight and said, I don't see a way out of this.

But there's healthy at any size.

There are absolutely...

elements and aspects of the movement that do put that messaging into the universe.

I've had those debates.

You've said?

I've had numerous debates with people who are body positivity activists that try to tell me that they can be healthy at any size.

And it's just not the case.