Jillian Michaels vs 20 Body Positivity Activists
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What is discussed at the start of this section?
Would you say that it should be against the law to discriminate against people based on their body size? Unquestionably. So why don't we see more fitness and wellness advocates asking for that? I'm happy to ask for it. Ask for it right now. I didn't know that you thought I wasn't for it. I wasn't allowed to have a ding-dong when I came home and I said, I want ding-dongs in my lunch. You know what my mom bought me? Low-fat Ding Dongs. Maybe there's more to life than trying to lose weight.
That's what body positivity has given me. You have to, like, love yourself. You have to invite love into the space. How? By looking at yourself in the mirror and telling yourself, I'm beautiful. It's not gonna work, kid. It does work. That's an SNL skit.
Are Americans fat phobic and obsessed with unrealistic beauty standards? Or has the body positivity movement normalized unhealthy habits and lifestyles? I'm John Regalado, and today we're going to have a debate about what it means to be healthy. Jillian, how are you feeling?
I feel good.
Debaters, you ready to come at Jillian with your best arguments?
How does Jillian Michaels view body positivity?
All right, let's get into it.
Hi, I'm Jillian Michaels. I'm a fitness expert and a health advocate. And today I am surrounded by 20 body positivity activists. All right, my first surrounded claim is that obesity is not healthy and pretending it is puts lives at risk.
If you want to be the first debater, get to the chair in three, two, one.
Hi. Hi. I'm Edie. Nice to meet you, Edie. I'm an eating disorder therapist. I'm gonna do my best to not use the O word because I find it pretty offensive. So I'm gonna use fat-bodied as we talk. Okay. Do you understand why people find it harmful and triggering?
Overweight and obese is literally just having too much body fat. It has nothing to do with the quality of the person.
Yeah, I agree with you on that.
Are we going to debate the claim?
Yeah, I just wanted to clarify, though, the language.
Are we going to pretend like I'm a three and you're my mommy telling me how to talk? Wow. Okay. Okay.
So the claim that you're saying is that it is inherently unhealthy to live in a fat body.
It's inherently unhealthy to have excess body fat, yes.
Okay. Where are you getting that information from? Okay.
Okay.
There are dozens of MRT trials that show having excess body fat. Dozens is causal, not correlated.
No, that's not true. There is no disease that just fat-bodied people get.
I didn't say that. I didn't say that. But obesity lends itself to all-cause mortality across the board. Have you heard of something called adiposopathy? Mm-hmm. Okay, so you know it means literally sick fat. And you understand how it works? Okay, tell me how it works.
So it's additional layer of fat in the stomach area.
No.
That's not what it is.
It works as follows. When we eat too much food that has energy that we're not utilizing, the body needs to put that energy somewhere, right?
What claims does Jillian make about obesity?
So it puts it in fat cells. So it puts it in initially subcutaneous fat cells, a little bit of visceral fat, which is fat around the organs. And at first you have hyperplasia, which means we're recruiting new little fat cells. which isn't necessarily a bad thing up to a point. Now the issue is that once you can no longer recruit more fat cells, right, you get hypertrophy. So the fat cells start to expand. And this is exceptionally dangerous because what ends up happening is the blood vessels get outpaced. So the fat cells can't get oxygen and they start screaming, literally. And when they do, they release Cytokines, inflammatory proteins, right? I want to pause. Of course you do want to pause. Because it's irrefutable.
You don't even know what I'm talking about. Jillian, okay, first of all, I don't appreciate the way that you're speaking to me right now. You called me out for just trying to understand the languaging and saying I was talking to a three-year-old who I felt like I was talking to very respectfully. You're talking to me very disrespectfully right now. Here's the thing. You're telling me you understand it, but you don't understand it.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is discussed at the start of this section?
0:00–0:59
2
How does Jillian Michaels view body positivity?
0:59–3:13
3
What claims does Jillian make about obesity?
3:13–6:27
4
How do the activists respond to Jillian's claims?
6:27–52:22
5
What personal experiences shape the views on body positivity?
52:22–53:18
6
How do shame and body image intersect in this debate?
53:18–54:08
7
What are the implications of diet culture on body positivity?
54:08–54:50
8
How can we redefine health and wellness in the context of body positivity?
54:50–1:44:39
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