Rachel

Time is not a healer, Eve.

Yeah, and even when you were talking, I was talking to Dr. Aoife Quinn and it sounds so easy when you're talking to her.

It's like, yeah, you just create your routine and you stick to your routine.

And I had my mind made up.

And then we spoke to Keith and he's like, this is actually what it feels like in the moment.

Yeah.

it's a like as a sports person especially as a footballer it doesn't get any more pressured especially you know we find penalty shootouts at like the worst possible times because it's a lot of the time it's your country on the line so yeah I wouldn't be stepping up either I think I'd be cowering away

Delighted to be joined by Dr. Aoife Quinn, sports psychologist.

Aoife, as if the misery wasn't enough, we decided we're going to have to revisit Thursday night.

Yeah, and I suppose we were chatting off air there and you said it's always topical, but especially now.

And the question on everyone's lips this week in the office and out in the public is, are penalties a lottery?

And as someone with your background, I think...

your best to add to this because everyone has their opinion on it.

You know, anyone who's never even taken part in the penalty shootout has an opinion on it.

But very excited to get your point of view on these things with backed up facts.

You think that that's something that we do because penalties are such a high pressured situation and we almost want as a public to take the pressure off because it's a team game and they had over 90 minutes to win it but we almost want to say penalties are lucky because it's very easy to make someone a scapegoat and we almost don't want to do that.

It's coming from not a place of

but we want to take all of that pressure off.

Did you find it interesting?

So that in the build up to the game, when Hamer was asked if they'd be practicing penalties, he said that because they have such limited time together, he doesn't think it's the best use of their time?