Jillian Michaels

I think, unfortunately, the fact that the movement is decentralized and it's prone to being co-opted, it can do harm in the ways that I have shown you.

That's what I'm saying.

Well, I really appreciate this.

Thank you.

Thank you very much.

So I really want to focus on what you've just been saying about the co-opting of the movement.

Because what you seem to be critiquing is the people who've co-opted the movement, not the people who actually built the movement.

Not the people who actually are the movement.

So the idea that...

Okay, influencers who have said these things.

So who's the movement?

Influencers and activists are not necessarily the same thing.

We were allegedly invited here as activists and advocates.

Not always the same thing, right?

I don't disagree, but it's become, as I mentioned, a patchwork quilt of like, I'm an activist, I'm an influencer, I'm a dietician.

It's whereas like when you look at something like A.A.,

Well, let me guide you to something very clear about the Health at Every Size movement.

Health at Every Size is actually a registered trademark of the Association for Size, Diversity, and Health.

So when people are misusing that, we are a movement that doesn't have the same resources as the health and wellness industry or the health and wellness grifters.

or the major food industry, right?