Jillian Michaels

No.

Not gay and fat.

Defending people's body sovereignty, people's body autonomy, people's right to live freely in their body.

What is the core premise of discrimination?

It started with regard to being...

Am I right?

That is what he started your organization for.

Okay, Healthy at Every Size is about access for people.

Right, and Health at Every Size principles talk about intersectionality and multiply marginalized people.

Yes, you're absolutely right.

And I think it started as health at every size.

And I think now it has been co-opted by many or misinterpreted, misutilized.

You don't think so.

I've seen very many people say I can be healthy at any size.

Or every size.

I've seen very many people, and I've debated with very many people who've utilized that point.

I don't think we have enough time for me to tell you how deep my concerns are with these guys.

I think that they, okay, let's go back.

All right, if we go back to the 70s or like late 60s, 5% of American adults were obese or overweight, right?

Now it's 74%.