Jim Browning

So what do you have, like 16 different phones over there? I do, literally. I mean, I have one phone service with 10 different phone numbers in the UK and I have something similar with US phone numbers. I've dropped a lot of those recently from their number. It just, it has nearly got to the point where I just can't, you know, have an evening free of scam phone calls.

So what do you have, like 16 different phones over there? I do, literally. I mean, I have one phone service with 10 different phone numbers in the UK and I have something similar with US phone numbers. I've dropped a lot of those recently from their number. It just, it has nearly got to the point where I just can't, you know, have an evening free of scam phone calls.

The way that I got access to the reverse access, I'll not go into that part in detail, but suffice to say that when I did get access, I got access to just one PC, and it was from a supervisor. And I was able to watch what that supervisor was doing. And one of the things that he was doing was watching CCTV. So I could see the IP address of the server that he was using.

The way that I got access to the reverse access, I'll not go into that part in detail, but suffice to say that when I did get access, I got access to just one PC, and it was from a supervisor. And I was able to watch what that supervisor was doing. And one of the things that he was doing was watching CCTV. So I could see the IP address of the server that he was using.

It wasn't an internal server, it was an external one. And when he logged into it, he logged in with the username of admin. and a password of eight characters. And for the particular CCTV system that he was using, I did a Google search of what is the default password for this system. And would you believe they were still using the default password.

It wasn't an internal server, it was an external one. And when he logged into it, he logged in with the username of admin. and a password of eight characters. And for the particular CCTV system that he was using, I did a Google search of what is the default password for this system. And would you believe they were still using the default password.

I guess you could call that hacking, but I could see the IP address, the username, and I just tried the default password and I was straight in. Admin123 was his password to protect this scam operation.

I guess you could call that hacking, but I could see the IP address, the username, and I just tried the default password and I was straight in. Admin123 was his password to protect this scam operation.

It was gold dust for me because they had records of all their calls. I could see it on which server they were using. And I could directly download these things because I had access to that scammer's supervisor's scammer's computer. So I managed to download nine months worth of calls, about 70,000 separate calls.

It was gold dust for me because they had records of all their calls. I could see it on which server they were using. And I could directly download these things because I had access to that scammer's supervisor's scammer's computer. So I managed to download nine months worth of calls, about 70,000 separate calls.

yeah oh it was so tempting that whenever you i mean i am watching live on the cctv i know the number that they're using uh the victims to call that day so i can call that number and i'll be speaking to somebody in a room that i can see on cctv hello yes sir yeah so what's all this about stop services then when they should be running i don't get it yeah

yeah oh it was so tempting that whenever you i mean i am watching live on the cctv i know the number that they're using uh the victims to call that day so i can call that number and i'll be speaking to somebody in a room that i can see on cctv hello yes sir yeah so what's all this about stop services then when they should be running i don't get it yeah

I don't always know who I'm speaking to, and sometimes if the room is full, it can be quite difficult to work out which agent. There may be 20, 30 agents in the room, and I can't always work out who I'm speaking with. And there's four cameras. Each corner of the room has got a camera. And what I do was actually invite the scammer onto a computer.

I don't always know who I'm speaking to, and sometimes if the room is full, it can be quite difficult to work out which agent. There may be 20, 30 agents in the room, and I can't always work out who I'm speaking with. And there's four cameras. Each corner of the room has got a camera. And what I do was actually invite the scammer onto a computer.

I had my desktop background set to a purple or a green color. And then what I would do is look around the cameras and look for that green screen or that purple screen. And then I knew, ah, right, there's the guy. That's who I'm talking to. And sometimes I had to do that just to work that out. And

I had my desktop background set to a purple or a green color. And then what I would do is look around the cameras and look for that green screen or that purple screen. And then I knew, ah, right, there's the guy. That's who I'm talking to. And sometimes I had to do that just to work that out. And

The really, really tempting thing would be to say to the guy, hey, that's a nice Czech shirt you're wearing. Or, you know, stop playing Pac-Man whenever you're speaking to me. You know, can you stop doing that? But I couldn't give the game away. I couldn't be just as obvious as that. Although it was incredibly tempting to do that.

The really, really tempting thing would be to say to the guy, hey, that's a nice Czech shirt you're wearing. Or, you know, stop playing Pac-Man whenever you're speaking to me. You know, can you stop doing that? But I couldn't give the game away. I couldn't be just as obvious as that. Although it was incredibly tempting to do that.

So I kind of figured out I was really on to something quite big at that stage. And I thought I would bring it to the attention of more mainstream media, specifically the BBC. I had never had contact with the BBC until that point. But Because I had personally tried to close down a lot of scam operations and been pretty unsuccessful about it.

So I kind of figured out I was really on to something quite big at that stage. And I thought I would bring it to the attention of more mainstream media, specifically the BBC. I had never had contact with the BBC until that point. But Because I had personally tried to close down a lot of scam operations and been pretty unsuccessful about it.