Jim Chalmers

I'm trying to take the advice.

I engage with the AI sector all the time.

You're right to say that I'm meeting with one of the main players next week.

I think the PM is as well.

I engage regularly, enthusiastically with the tech sector and some of these big players in AI.

And the advice that you get from people who know about AI is to experiment and use it and try and work out

different applications in your own life.

And so I do a little bit of that.

I don't do a lot of it, but I do a little bit of it.

And I obviously try and read everything that I can about it because the reason you're asking me about it is because it's one of, if not the main thing that will determine the way our economy evolves over the next decade or two.

And so I've got to be right across it.

So yeah, I do dabble with it a bit, but mostly I try and read all of the analytical stuff about it too.

Absolutely.

And here I pay tribute to Katie Gallaher.

and also my departmental secretary that used to be Katie's departmental secretary, Jenny Wilkinson, an absolute mountain of work about the application of AI to providing better and more efficient services for people.

We think it's a really, really big piece of...

the puzzle here to make sure that the government is harnessing technological change as well.

At the end of the day, our big objective here, Alan, which Mike and I wrote about all those years ago, is to make sure that our people and our society can be beneficiaries, not victims, of all of this churn and change that we're seeing in the world and in our economy.

And really, when it comes to technology, that couldn't be more important.

Well, if your point is that we can't control every development, that's obviously true.