Jim Chalmers

And if your point is that it's hard for governments to catch up and keep up, then obviously the faster this technology accelerates, the more true that becomes.

But I'm not sure that there is nothing that governments can do.

I mean...

We're working very closely with the labour movement on workforce impacts.

My colleague Amanda Richworth's doing that.

Michelle Rowland's working through the copyright issues and copyright regulations.

I work with Tim Ayres and Andrew Charlton on the data centre investment piece, making sure that those huge data centre investments are in our national interest.

And so I don't accept that there's nothing that can be done.

I do accept that the pace of change is so substantial.

and private sector led, that it is difficult to catch up and keep up.

But that doesn't mean that we can't think through ways to look after our people in the context of this accelerating change.

You're in a very pessimistic place, Alan, which I understand that people have got anxiety about this.

And

There are elements of this where I share some of the very real concerns that you're putting to me today, Alan.

But I think that the onus is on us as decision makers and, dare I say, as commentators as well, to help people understand that this has upsides and downsides.

And our job, as you said at the start, is to maximise the upsides and try and manage the downsides in a way

that gives people a sense of confidence that this change can work in their interests rather than against their interests.

We haven't taken a decision on that, Alan, and I'm not sort of

trying to evade the question genuinely.

We've been very upfront in saying that the priority in tax is to deliver these two more tax cuts.