Jim O'Callaghan

You don't accept that figure because you feel that there are other ways to slice it.

So more people will do more work earning more than 44,000 because it'll be cheaper for them to do that.

And they'll spend more as well, Barra.

So back to the question, how do you pay for it?

But what's going to happen is other departments will be asked to rein in their spending in order to pay for this.

That's inevitable, isn't it?

But there's not a word of caution from you on this, Barry.

You're not saying...

It mightn't be possible.

You know, we have to watch ourselves because this has to be sustainable over years.

We know that there are fears around our corporation tax take.

You're not saying any of that.

You're saying this should be done.

We can afford to do it.

A listener wants to know if this would work, a higher tax rate on incomes over 100,000.

So that would pay in part for this.

I'm not sure how much that would bring in, but Siobhan suggested that third rate or even a fourth rate of tax.

Barry?

Farrah, what's your view on that?

But he doesn't accept your one and a half billion euro figure.