Jimmy Carr

I think slightly it's about context, right?

So I think super edgy jokes probably don't work on your podcast.

But it is about... There's a big difference between being in a refugee camp and going camping.

Yeah.

Right?

Those are very different experiences.

And I think sometimes it's fine that people are bought into the show.

They want to come and they want to listen to super edgy stuff.

And it's...

ironically to use the term, but it's a very safe space being at a comedy gig.

You feel like, well, we're all here.

We know that this guy on stage is going to say transgressive things and they're benign violations to give Peter McGraw his dues.

He came up with that kind of theory.

So benign violations, the idea that violations... He's an academic.

And he came up with the theory of benign violation in comedy, which I think works fairly well for analysing, OK, so what are jokes?

Well, they're violations.

Something has gone away from how it ought to be.

It could be minor.

It could be someone tripping over.

It could be a war.