Jimmy Dore

Right.

And it's made all the difference in my life.

I was, you know, I considered myself a Sam Harris atheist, I used to call myself, you know.

And that was mostly a reaction to me being brought up Catholic.

And so I was rejecting religion, but at the same time I was also rejecting spirituality.

And I didn't realize it, but now because of this experience I realize, oh no, that, you know, it's just terminology.

God is real.

There is the, you know, your ego doesn't control things.

Your ego needs, once you can make your ego subservient to the transpersonal self and your unconscious, that's the key to life, realizing that you're just, the way I describe it to people is that, you know, we're all part of consciousness.

Consciousness is an ocean, and then there's a huge wave.

The part of the consciousness we see is the wave, right?

And all I can do is surf that wave.

I can't create that wave.

I can't control it.

All I can do is try to surf it as best I can.

And by making your ego subservient and keeping your eye on the transpersonal center, which is what Carl Jung talks about, that's kind of the key.

Unless you experience it, it's hard to understand.

It's even hard for me to explain it.

It's like trying to explain a DMT trip, I'm guessing.

I've never done DMT.