Jimmy Dore

So you did that?

So you just did a certain kind of breathing for hours?

Well, I've had the experience of...

I've only done mild doses of mushrooms in my life, maybe five or six times.

And the last time I did it, I remember when I would close my eyes, it would seem more real than when I opened my eyes, it was like, oh, everything seemed flat and uninteresting.

And when I closed my eyes, I was like, this is the real thing.

I'd like to stay here longer.

So it's gotta be what you said, that's why people are willing to sit in a cave and meditate every day because it's more real.

It's a more like a rich experience.

Well, Jesus said, there's a quote, that the kingdom of my father is laid upon the earth, but the eyes of men don't see it.

So, yeah, so we're creating our own hell, right?

And it's, I think, over-identification with the ego mind, which is different than you got a big ego.

That's different.

The ego mind is like what you're conscious of, your idea of who you are.

And then the things that you don't like, according to Jung, you split them off and you put them into your unconscious.

So when people who hate...

Trump, like when you see people who have Trump derangement syndrome, that's because they're projecting that part of themselves that is like Trump onto him.

And so then they can hate that.

And that when you have a big reaction to something external, whether it's you love something intensely or you hate something intensely, that tells you it's about you.

And so, like, I never hated Trump.