Jimmy Ellingham

But if we were to play test cricket, what would have to change, say, with training, practice games, even at the youth level, what do you think would need to be there so we could play test cricket?

The White Ferns have played 45 tests, going back to 1935, losing 10 and winning 2, both in 1972.

Like Penny Kinsella, Frankie Mackay thinks a North South Island series could be the best way of preparing players for longer form cricket.

So potentially you think New Zealand cricket was right if, as news reports have suggested, New Zealand turned down the invitation to play a test in Australia next year?

Nicholson bowls.

It's a short ball.

Mason onto the back foot.

The White Ferns last won the 50 over World Cup in the year 2000 at Lincoln.

Frankie Mackay remembers watching on and says she probably dreamed of playing for New Zealand in white ball games wearing a black uniform.

But she says it's wrong that so many great players over the past 20 years haven't had a chance to wear whites for New Zealand.

Penny Kinsella says she's proud to have played six test matches alongside 21-day games for New Zealand and she has some special reminders of that time.

So you played in that one?

And for people who can't see, it's a proper baggy cricket cap.

It's not a baseball cap at all.

It's one of those cricket caps that we see in the test game now.

Number 97.

Those are lovely, Penny.

Thank you for bringing those along.

The last question I have is, before you said you remain hopeful we can play a test, what are you going to keep doing to agitate for it?

That's it for today.