Jimmy Wales

And maybe we have to put ads on and, you know, I don't really want to, but like,

And so suddenly it was like, oh, actually, this could work like this volunteer model and donation based.

Maybe this is going to work.

You know, that was exciting.

And I would say like the the Wikimedia Foundation, which is the charity that I set up that owns and operates the site.

It obviously also has had a lot of growth over the years.

And I would say there was a period of time when.

The growth of the website and the growth of the community was very successful, but the Wikimedia Foundation had a lot of growing pains.

So as we started to grow, there were a lot of challenges there and becoming more professional and so forth.

And fortunately, we made it through all that and everything's good today.

I mean, yeah, it's a good question.

I mean, I probably I'll just point to myself like I had to learn that I'm not a good manager.

That's actually really important.

And it's something that founders often struggle with.

I found it out pretty quickly.

I mean, my management style is basically this is awesome.

Let's do this.

Everybody go do some good stuff.

Right.

Not really that great.