Jo Setchell

And you suddenly realize that you had an approximation of an answer, but there's still more to do and further to go.

Even when I say we might be closing the gap, I think the gap is just there.

And it is that fact that we have to eventually say, well, the patterns are the same.

So we are assuming that the experience is the same.

But we'll never know if the experience is the same.

Yeah, definitely.

So if we talk about females, I'm female.

Many female primates clearly show signs of orgasm.

So again, if we assume that orgasm is fun because for individuals it seems to be fun, then yeah, they're having fun.

They also seek out sex.

Both males and females seek out sex.

Not all the time.

And it varies between the individuals, but they seek it out, which suggests that it's fun.

Loads of reasons for having sex.

So, yes, of course, sex in order to reproduce, but loads of other reasons too.

the solo element of it suggests that that must be fun it can't be doing it because it thinks it's going to lead to a baby so it must be enjoying itself yeah so evolutionarily perhaps there obviously is a link to reproduction but there's a link to many other things too in some case social bonds um in some between males and females between males males between females and females and so on but yeah definitely i think we as far as we know it's fun

So, first of all, there are plenty of same-sex relationships in the monkey world.

I suppose also we should say that when we come to talking about same-sex relationships in humans, whether or not animals do that is completely irrelevant.

But if we want to look and determine whether animals do it, primates do it, yes, lots.

It varies across the species, but yeah, a lot.