Joanna Robinson

But also it's, like, something that you understand why Nolan would be interested in a vigilante story then for that reason.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I think that Gotham, just that general question and point about this is really a Gotham trilogy, I really agree, but I think that it feels to me less about

than like specifically actually Gotham.

than the relationship between a place and its people, right?

Kind of to your point of like, does this feel like Gotham?

Does it look like Gotham?

When you pan out and we have these beautiful aerial shots, it's just obviously Manhattan.

We're just at Heinz Field for this deal.

This has always been the case.

That's what I'm saying.

That's what I'm saying.

So it feels less like Gotham, Gotham, Gotham is this clearly fully realized and rendered character that is very,

comic book-y or specific to a certain like story universe and more just like American city.

And what does it mean to be a philanthropist or a businessman or a vigilante or a cop or a jewel thief or any person in that place who has to make a decision about what your relationship to it is?

What does it mean to grow up in a boy's home?

on those streets?

What does it mean to be a younger brother of an older brother who got pulled into those tunnels for work?

And like, you know that that's happening, but other people don't.

Like, one of the more interesting threads movie to movie about Gotham is, and we, you know, I think in a movie that we love and admire, The Dark Knight, we spent a good chunk of our Dark Knight pod talking about like the ending of that movie and the choice that Bruce makes.