Jocelyn Kaiser

So a lot of people getting fired at the NIH and CDC. There's also been a lot of confusion around funding for research. We're talking research for cancer drugs, heart medication, new scientific discoveries. What is going on with the funding?

So a lot of people getting fired at the NIH and CDC. There's also been a lot of confusion around funding for research. We're talking research for cancer drugs, heart medication, new scientific discoveries. What is going on with the funding?

I was speaking to an academic who said at one point they got an email from their university saying, stop all research now, and then soon after, no, no, you can keep doing your research. Are scientists still getting money for their research?

I was speaking to an academic who said at one point they got an email from their university saying, stop all research now, and then soon after, no, no, you can keep doing your research. Are scientists still getting money for their research?

Restraining the restraint. I hate a double negative.

Restraining the restraint. I hate a double negative.

That is how the administration does its work. There's a lot of... I remember the last time Trump was in power, there was a lot of stuff that hit the news cycle that was really flashy. But a lot of the damage that was done around, you know, immigration and things like that, it was in these really boring things that don't... that don't hit the news cycle.

That is how the administration does its work. There's a lot of... I remember the last time Trump was in power, there was a lot of stuff that hit the news cycle that was really flashy. But a lot of the damage that was done around, you know, immigration and things like that, it was in these really boring things that don't... that don't hit the news cycle.

So I want you to tell me the boring ways that Trump is stopping science.

So I want you to tell me the boring ways that Trump is stopping science.

This is how it happens.

This is how it happens.

That's right. These incredibly mundane ways that therefore, as a direct consequence, researchers cannot get money to do their science.

That's right. These incredibly mundane ways that therefore, as a direct consequence, researchers cannot get money to do their science.

Because instead of saying we're freezing funding, which they tried and that didn't work now, the strategy is don't let them do a boring post.

Because instead of saying we're freezing funding, which they tried and that didn't work now, the strategy is don't let them do a boring post.

And this has huge implications, right? I mean, there was this study that came out a few years ago about NIH funding showing that every new drug approved by the FDA from 2010 to 2019, with every new drug, the NIH played some role in researching that drug. And so that's new drugs that people listening would have taken.

And this has huge implications, right? I mean, there was this study that came out a few years ago about NIH funding showing that every new drug approved by the FDA from 2010 to 2019, with every new drug, the NIH played some role in researching that drug. And so that's new drugs that people listening would have taken.

And so now if this funding gets severely cut, I mean, the expectation is that we will have fewer drugs on the market, at least as quickly as we would have otherwise, right?

And so now if this funding gets severely cut, I mean, the expectation is that we will have fewer drugs on the market, at least as quickly as we would have otherwise, right?