Jocelyn Kaiser

After the break, why you shouldn't write a grant with the word women in it anymore. Plus, why the Trump administration might be going after science. Welcome back. Today on the show, we're talking about the state of science in the US, and it is not looking good. I'm chatting with Max Kozlov, reporter for Nature.

After the break, why you shouldn't write a grant with the word women in it anymore. Plus, why the Trump administration might be going after science. Welcome back. Today on the show, we're talking about the state of science in the US, and it is not looking good. I'm chatting with Max Kozlov, reporter for Nature.

So Professor Darby Saxby at the University of Southern California received this list of words from a colleague. And the colleague received funding from the National Science Foundation and received this list directly from the National Science Foundation that basically implies that if you use these particular words, it can automatically cause a grant to be flagged, maybe pulled.

So Professor Darby Saxby at the University of Southern California received this list of words from a colleague. And the colleague received funding from the National Science Foundation and received this list directly from the National Science Foundation that basically implies that if you use these particular words, it can automatically cause a grant to be flagged, maybe pulled.

And this list includes words like women, female, activism, Black and Latinx, gender, even systemic trauma biased.

And this list includes words like women, female, activism, Black and Latinx, gender, even systemic trauma biased.

So no more talking about blunt force trauma or statistical bias, let alone talking about research into women or Black and Latinx folks.

So no more talking about blunt force trauma or statistical bias, let alone talking about research into women or Black and Latinx folks.

So what is going on with this list? What do we know?

So what is going on with this list? What do we know?

Yeah, it's all part of the same package. It's all part of the anti-science agenda, whatever you want to call it.

Yeah, it's all part of the same package. It's all part of the anti-science agenda, whatever you want to call it.

I mean, this list is out of control. It's like to call it, to try to pretend that this list is about... Gender ideology, racial ideology. I mean, it's really just a list that makes many branches of science difficult to function.

I mean, this list is out of control. It's like to call it, to try to pretend that this list is about... Gender ideology, racial ideology. I mean, it's really just a list that makes many branches of science difficult to function.

What is great, though, is that people with vaginas is still allowed.

What is great, though, is that people with vaginas is still allowed.

Just putting that out there, which actually might be more accurate to what some of the people are researching.

Just putting that out there, which actually might be more accurate to what some of the people are researching.

People with vaginas. Still okay, apparently. For now.

People with vaginas. Still okay, apparently. For now.