Jodi Kantor

By need, I mean

Not like what is the hollow conventional wisdom of the moment about what you should study or what you should pursue.

What is your independent assessment of a need you want to fulfill in society?

What do you think needs doing?

My need that I'm fulfilling is that I think people need better, more high-quality information.

And then there's a real magic in pairing craft and need.

Because if you...

And it's like a cycle.

Like if you have a craft that you get better and better at, you're going to see new needs.

Like I'm sure you, Debbie, at this point are seeing needs that you couldn't have seen 20 years ago.

You have new vision.

So then to meet those new needs...

You're going to learn new crafts, right?

Like, I'm sure you didn't know how to be a podcaster 20 years ago.

I certainly didn't aspire to be one when I was a kid.

Yeah, you taught yourself a new craft.

And also, unexpected needs come up, right?

Like, the world is crazy.

But when your craft gets really good, you can adapt it to meet those needs.

And so I think that if you marry those two things, I want to maximize your chances of