Jodi Kantor

of you pulling yourself past all of these negative forces we see to something better.

And the book has a lot of suggestions about how to find your craft and your need, which I think can be a process.

Listen, it's a struggle out there, but rather than having you have like a

I want you to have a great struggle and an exciting struggle that yields amazing results.

I often tell people it takes a lot of work to get good work.

And it also that anything worthwhile takes a long time.

You write that early career work, what some might dismiss as entry level or shit work, is often where craft is actually formed.

What do you think people misunderstand about that phase of their working life?

So first of all, we have this threat to entry-level jobs and learning craft through AI.

It's often through, you know, repetition and whatnot that we really learn.

But then on the other hand, I was hearing too many young people disparage entry-level work.

Right.

Like calling it shit work.

One of my favorite people I wrote about in the book is a guy named Arjav Ezekiel, who now is like the toast of the restaurant industry.

He runs this place, Bertie's.

Highly recommend.

Amazing restaurant.

In Austin, it's one of the lovely story.

He's won all of these awards.

He runs it with his.