Joe Allen
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3,496 appearances
36 recordings
2 series
first heard Oct 2016
last heard 15 Sep
Joe Allen’s voice in public audio — every appearance, attributed to the second.
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Well, Steve, thank you for having me on.
And I would say that what we see now certainly represents the result of the administration and the Pentagon being emboldened by the technologies at their disposal.
It could easily be overstated how significant the AI integration into the military is at this moment.
But you see with the conflict between the Department of War and Anthropic,
And then the immediate deal struck with Sam Altman of OpenAI to use their systems for classified documents.
You can see the desire and perhaps even the necessity of using artificial intelligence for military operations and standard operations across the board, including medicine and corporate life.
What we saw with the Department of War and Pete Hegseth going head-to-head with Dario Amadei represents, in some ways, two different types of human beings who are talking about how the future of non-human beings should unfold.
With Pete Hegseth, I think it's very clear that his desire is to use these technologies.
Up until two days ago, Anthropic was the only AI system that was deployed on classified documents.
It was extremely important for a number of things, from supply allocation to target acquisition to other logistical concerns.
Pete Hegseth was infuriated by Anthropic not allowing the Pentagon to use their systems for specific purposes.
Anthropic claims that the Pentagon wanted to use their system for surveilling American citizens and for autonomous lethal weapons.
Pentagon representatives have denied that claim, although I think that it should definitely be understood that those would be primary objectives of some in the military establishment.
What it really highlights, Steve, is how much the military, in addition to Wall Street, in addition to corporate world, how much the military sees this technology as essential in staying ahead of adversaries such as China, such as Russia, even Iran.
I think we're going to have to deal with is the political implications of this because you have all these people rallying around Anthropic, especially on the left, saying Dario Amadei is a hero for confronting Pete Hegseth.
I actually agree that these systems shouldn't be used for surveilling American citizens, nor should they be used for fully autonomous weapons.
But it should really be emphasized that Dario Amadei and Anthropic as a whole has also redrawn their red lines in order to allow for greater scaling of their systems.
And it raises the question, who is Anthropic loyal to?
I would say that at the moment, the way they present it, Anthropic is not necessarily loyal to Silicon Valley, nor are they loyal to the United States.
They are loyal to the so-called nation of geniuses, the AIs that they are creating.
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