Joe Allen

I don't think that his concerns about artificial intelligence are disingenuous or meant to build up hype.

No, you're not.

And that's the craziest part about it.

Am I wrong in that?

Musk would be like, yeah, I know, not at all.

In fact, that is the dominant thrust coming through the Trump administration and in the companies that you're talking about.

You see it with the data centers going up everywhere.

You see it in the just open push towards general and then super intelligence.

I think...

The best way to look at it is historically, just a real brief history, and it was, oddly enough, it was Max Tegmark from the Future of Life Institute who told me how he watched it unfold.

And, of course, he's friends with most, if not all, of these people.

He knows these people.

He's watched it up close.

And you had first Google say,

begin in around 2012 or 13, really pushing the idea we are going to create artificial general intelligence.

You then had Musk and Sam Altman and Ilya Setskever form OpenAI as a open

nonprofit, publicly monitored, transparent company to compete with Google.

They were saying, we will create artificial general intelligence, but we will do it safely and openly.

Obviously, that didn't happen.

Musk left.