Joe Carlsmith

And I think, you know, we don't really use that concept anymore.

We think that's like a little bit broken.

And so I don't think you want to have ended up in a position of saying like, everything that doesn't have a L'invitale doesn't matter or something, right?

Because then you end up later.

And then somewhat similarly, even if you're like, no, no, there's no such thing as a L'invitale, but surely life exists.

And I'm like, yeah, life exists.

I think consciousness exists too, likely, depending on how we define the terms.

I think it might be a kind of verbal question.

even once you have a kind of reductionist conception of life, I think it's possible that it kind of becomes less attractive as a moral focal point, right?

So like, right now we really think of consciousness, we're like, it's a deep fact.

It's like, so consider a question like, okay, so take a cellular automata, right?

That is sort of self-replicating.

It has like some information that, you know, and you're like, okay, is that alive?

Right?

It's kind of like, eh.

it's not that interesting.

It's a kind of verbal question, right?

Like, or I don't know, philosophers might get really into like, is that alive?

But you're not missing anything about this system, right?

It's not like there's no extra life that's like springing up.