Joe Carlsmith

It's just like, it's alive in some senses, not alive in other senses.

Um,

And I think if you, but I really think that's not how we intuitively think about consciousness.

We think whether something is conscious is a deep fact.

It's just like additional, it's like this really deep difference between being conscious or not.

It's like, is someone home?

Is the lights are on, right?

And I have some concern that if that turns out not to be the case,

then this is going to have been like a bad thing to like build our entire ethics around.

And so, now to be clear, I take consciousness really seriously.

I'm like, man, consciousness.

I'm not one of these people like, oh, obviously, yeah, consciousness doesn't exist or something.

I'm like, but I also notice how like confused I am and how dualistic my intuitions are.

And I'm like, wow, this is really weird.

And so I'm just like error bars around this.

Anyway, so that's like, there's a bunch of other things going on in my like wanting to be open to kind of not making consciousness like this kind of,

fully necessary criteria.

I mean, clearly, I definitely have the intuition.

Consciousness matters a ton.

I think if something is not conscious and there's a deep difference between conscious and unconscious, then I definitely have the intuition that there's something that matters especially a lot about consciousness.