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Joe Carlsmith

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
1218 total appearances

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Joe Carlsmith - Otherness and control in the age of AGI

You know, I'm not sure if that's true.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Joe Carlsmith - Otherness and control in the age of AGI

I think if that's true, what kind of difference would it make?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Joe Carlsmith - Otherness and control in the age of AGI

So one difference is that, well, so here's a question.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Joe Carlsmith - Otherness and control in the age of AGI

So like,

Dwarkesh Podcast
Joe Carlsmith - Otherness and control in the age of AGI

It means, at some sense, you have to do... You have to, in a more ongoing way, make trade-offs between investing in further knowledge and further exploration versus exploiting, as you say, sort of acting on your existing knowledge.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Joe Carlsmith - Otherness and control in the age of AGI

Because you can't get to a point where you're like, and we're done.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Joe Carlsmith - Otherness and control in the age of AGI

Now, as I think about it, I mean, I think that's...

Dwarkesh Podcast
Joe Carlsmith - Otherness and control in the age of AGI

you know, I sort of suspect that was always true.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Joe Carlsmith - Otherness and control in the age of AGI

And like, I remember talking to someone, I think I was like, ah, we should, at least in the future, we should really get like all the knowledge.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Joe Carlsmith - Otherness and control in the age of AGI

And he's like, well, what do you want to like, you don't want to know the output of every Turing machine or like, you know, in some sense, there's a question of like, what actually would it be to have like a completed knowledge?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Joe Carlsmith - Otherness and control in the age of AGI

And I think that's a rich question in its own right.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Joe Carlsmith - Otherness and control in the age of AGI

And I think it's like, not necessarily that we should imagine, even in this sort of, on any picture necessarily that you've got like everything.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Joe Carlsmith - Otherness and control in the age of AGI

And on any picture, in some sense, you could end up with this case where,

Dwarkesh Podcast
Joe Carlsmith - Otherness and control in the age of AGI

you cap out, like there's some collider that you can't build or whatever.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Joe Carlsmith - Otherness and control in the age of AGI

Like there's some, something is too expensive or whatever.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Joe Carlsmith - Otherness and control in the age of AGI

And kind of everyone caps out there.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Joe Carlsmith - Otherness and control in the age of AGI

Uh, so there's, I guess like one, one way to put it is like, so there's a question of like, do you cap?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Joe Carlsmith - Otherness and control in the age of AGI

And then there's a question of like, how contingent is the place you go?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Joe Carlsmith - Otherness and control in the age of AGI

Um,

Dwarkesh Podcast
Joe Carlsmith - Otherness and control in the age of AGI

if it's contingent, I mean, one thing, one prediction that makes is you'll see more diversity across, uh, you know, our universe or something.