Joe DeRosa

How do you sleep at night?

It's a tough position to be in.

And he said, he goes, here's how I justify it.

if I get the insurance company off or I save them some money, that does trickle down to the users with their premiums making insurance continually as affordable as possible.

He goes, the second I lose for my client,

they turn around and fuck everybody even more.

So he's like, that's the one little silver lining with it, I guess.

But that's a very sad... That's a weird silver lining.

Do you think that there's... This is more job injury stuff.

God, you know, I never thought of it that way, and I had a feeling as I was saying it, you were going to flip it into a thing that was going to leave me disturbed, and it has...

The thing that leaves me without hope, and I am not a very hope-filled individual, but the thing that leaves me with even less hope every day

is I feel like the culture, and people in all positions, but yours is, we're talking a very macro example of the thing.

I find that more and more people every day put themselves, they position themselves in a way where they say, I will not be accountable

and i will force you to be the one that has accountability to hold me to something and until you hold me to something where i cannot squirm or pivot in any way at that point i will then be accountable and i feel that more and more people operate like that obviously on a corporate level but also an individualistic level it makes me very very sad it's like having so many people

that you encounter in your life, sometimes it's friends, and you're sitting there going, really, I have to be the adult?

I have to sit you down as a 48-year-old man and say to you, what you're acting like right now is fucked up.

Why do I have to do that with you?

Because you're not gonna do it, so I guess I have to.

And the more that you try to hold yourself to accountability,

And I'm not patting myself on the back in any way But I find that burden grows and grows and grows and you just start to get to this place where you're like What the fuck is going on?