Joe Hudson

And the fact that I can laugh through all of that and like that brings us closer together.

And to me, that means I've done something significant.

To get that experience of like big oneness and expansion that like is now background for me, I would argue.

Yeah.

not argue, I would say that expansion, that feeling of expansive and oneness, it is just background, is so insignificant compared to my capacity to

be with my daughter when she's crying like that's far more like that i can when when she needs something she knows that she can call me up and i cannot belittle her i cannot take care of her i don't disempower her but i can care for her and she wants to come to me like that is so much more rewarding than

And it doesn't come from not feeling bad stuff.

I mean, that's the weird part.

I was, when I started this teaching, I went and visited a friend who's a retired teacher.

His name was Adi Ashante.

And I was like,

He's like, what are you doing?

And I said, you know, generally we're just helping people, you know, learn to love all of their emotions.

And he's like just a straight awakening teacher.

I don't know if you know who he is.

Yeah, yeah, of course.

Just straight awakening teacher.

Yeah, I love his book, End of Your World.

Yeah.

Yeah, he was very important in my life.