Joe Hudson

I don't know.

That's usually that conversation happens.

Um, I get, I get that phone call.

I think now like once every two weeks or something.

Now I've made a podcast about it just so that I can be like, listen to the podcast.

Okay.

Um,

So that, I'd say that's one that's underneath it.

And so that just a posture would be the first thing that I saw.

I could talk about the ways that you interacted with the film stuff.

I can talk about the studio itself and no criticism, no judgment, but that's, yeah, there's like 20 things that I could speak to.

You look over at the camera more often than most hosts do to make sure everything's looking all right.

Yeah, yeah.

And so probably in that, like, letting go of the perfectionist from moments to moments...

One thing that'll happen is you'll flip potentially over to non-perfectionism to the point where quality suffers.

Don't do that.

Like, create the quality that you want to have because if you do that, then you'll be like, no, and you'll fly back into control.

more so that's like one piece just to learn that there's actually some deep beauty in it and it has gotten you so much and you've created so many great things with it so to love the perfectionism rather than to fight against it is going to be like a much smoother transition and quicker transition than it is to like make that something wrong that you have to fix yeah um but really it's about the feelings underneath of like oh yeah i'm actually not in control

like is perfect.

And there is, and, and I don't, I can't even describe what perfect is like, meaning you could not actually specifically describe what perfect is.