Joe Hudson

And the very thing I wanted, which was for people to like me might occur more, the more that I show that the less.

So I wanted to show you this.

Okay, so I have this episode that I recorded in New York a couple of weeks ago, a guy called John Bellion, one of the most legendary producers of our era.

He's done billions of streams, Justin Bieber, Ed Sheeran.

He's a solo artist himself.

Okay.

He released an album called Father Figure.

It's about him becoming a dad.

It's about his reflections on his relationship with his dad, who was a super father, this sort of very strange, almost role model.

People talk about, I have a super successful father and I need to be as powerful as him.

This was different.

This was, I had a really amazing dad,

And I have to live up to being like as attuned and supportive and this sort of other type of intimidation, I suppose.

And I was in the shower this morning.

I played this song in the car yesterday, but I didn't listen to the lyrics.

And it's a song that just passed me by when I was doing my prep for the episode.

And I knew I wanted to talk about living with an open heart.

And in this song, so I'm in the shower this morning.

I cried at this song every single time I've heard it.

So we'll see if it happens again now.