Joe Hudson

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The word resistance is sort of coming up for me, like that the pain is in the resistance of that, the fleeing of it.

You said somebody that goes into their depression as opposed to away from it.

Can you talk about the distinction between the two approaches there, the going into versus the going away from, or the resisting versus the going into?

Would you say to somebody who thinks, okay, I believe you.

I am convinced that this is the route to go into.

I'm sick of abandoning myself.

But I'm scared.

Yeah.

That fear, which I think is much of what we were dealing with.

Yeah.

In the week that we spent together, which is you're scared of doing this thing and you will find out that if you do it on the other side of it is nothing.

Yeah.

to fear, nothing, maybe bliss, maybe, you know, connection, maybe wonder, or maybe actually just, oh, there was nothing there.

Um,

But even now, having had the week intense, 12 hours a day, like it's not as if that lesson has been permanently locked into my brain.

That fear is continuing every single time to come up.

I'm like, fuck, I'm going to play this song.