Joe Mathieu

Is it more complicated than that or actually how you see it from the other side of the aisle?

Well, it is interesting as well.

You didn't mention AOC, which usually comes with the talking points on this.

And it is rich irony, Senator, that Republicans are now urging Democrats to vote on this bill that they once found toxic.

And I guess this is why a lot of people have trouble understanding Washington here.

What's your gut?

Just before we move on, I'd like to ask you about a couple of other things.

Does the government set a new record for shutdowns here?

And is the president applying pressure on you?

You're still a no, though, right?

I want to ask you about what's going on in the Caribbean, Senator Rand Paul, and specifically when it comes to Venezuela.

And you've been outspoken about this.

You commented around fears of extrajudicial killings following the first boat we've now had four.

Your concern about the president's actions here, is he looking for regime change in Venezuela?

Well, I know

I know you're very familiar with these rules as chairman of the Senate Homeland Security Committee.

And there's been a question more recently about whether there's a congressional answer to this.

Would you support a War Powers Act with eyes on Venezuela?

Well, that's news, Senator.

It's really interesting that you're going to put your name on this.