Joe Molloy

That's at the other end of the spectrum?

To go back to something very interesting you said, Nicola, what boxing represented to Kinahan.

So one, he had a very genuine passion for it regardless, right?

I mean, he just liked the sport.

And then somewhere along the line, it was potentially an off ramp to, as you said, respectability, to being legitimate, to power, influence, glamour, etc.

So one, that's really interesting if that's what boxing represented to him.

And then secondly, I suppose the other side of the coin is it's why a lot of people, he came to the attention of a lot of people.

Gary Lineker does not know about Daniel Kinnahan if he's not involved with Tyson Fury, the UK audience and beyond.

And maybe, I don't know, there's less of a kind of pressure to get him on authorities.

I suppose what I'm asking is, was this intensity around Kinnahan

nailing down Kinahan if he hadn't been such a public figure in the boxing world would it have been as intense as partaking in boxing kind of quicken events or hazing events or was this coming regardless even if he never went near boxing and most people in the world didn't know his name?

I personally think that his attempts to legitimize himself in that way and to become such a public figure is what heightened everything.

Now, there's a couple of strands to all of this, right?

So if you just bear with me briefly, you know, you try and get into the head of Daniel Kinahan.

Daniel Kinahan's father is such an important person and such a bizarre, unusual person.

guy inhabiting that world because he was a middle class man who came from a very loving, supportive family.

Both his parents worked, he was educated.

He chose that world and he went into it all the way back in the 1980s in Dublin and he went from zero to 100.

He was a nobody and the next thing he was caught with £100,000 at the time.

worth of heroin, the biggest seizure at that point in the history of the state.