Joe Molloy

So we'd gone from nothing.

Most people start as street dealers and they become, you know, they make some money, they start wholesaling to their own underlings and onwards they go.

And there are also usually people that have, they could be second, third generation in crime.

They could grow up with it.

They could have been groomed into it, something.

Very few of them choose that world.

So Kinahan did and his story goes that he, you know, he wasn't only happy to such win or be the biggest in Ireland.

He wanted to be the biggest in Europe and onwards he went to the globe.

And Kinahan senior, I'm talking about in recent times,

has tried to own the route of drugs into Europe.

He tried to buy airplanes and he tried to buy routes up through Africa, which is a traditional transport route.

Now, owning the transport route of drugs is one of the most important things next to actually producing them.

So the ambition of his father is part of what's made him, I think.

And I think Daniel Kinahan always wanted to be something bigger, better, do something as special, do something as unique, impress his father.

His father went on to have one, two, three, another five children with two other women.

And I think Daniel and Christopher Jr.

are the only two of his children that have been brought into that very dangerous world of crime, you know, which can always result in either your death or imprisonment.

And so there's a kind of a thing going on there, you know, with with them.

I also often thought that he had a bit of a ability to want to be and to copy Gerry Hutch.

For some reason, he had a thing about Gerry Hutch, Daniel, as a younger guy.